Illinois to try Semi Auto Ban this weeki.

[TerryMiller]

Don't know if it's really true.


From the Illinois State Rifle Assn.:

URGENT ALERT – YOUR IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED

CULLERTON TO INTRODUCE NEAR TOTAL GUN BAN ON JANUARY 2ND

The ISRA has learned from a credible source that Illinois Senate President John Cullerton will introduce a so called “assault weapons” ban on Wednesday when the legislature returns for its “lame duck” session. Cullerton hopes to ramrod the bill through and get it to Governor Quinn for signature by Friday. If he is successful at doing so, nearly every gun you currently own will be banned and will be subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.

Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called “assault weapons” but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.

[Berserker]

Originally Posted by TerryMiller

Don't know if it's really true.


From the Illinois .

It is IL, so anything is possible.

This would leave revolvers and break open guns. I am a believer in revolvers, but I would not force my beliefs through legal means.

I do find this a little hard to believe cause it bans damn near everything. But I could see it getting put up, and maybe even passed, and then tied up in court trying to repeal.

This could be a tactic to offset the courts 180 rule to grant concealed carry.

I'll sell you a snubbie for $1k.

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Holy shyte. I hope it's hype, but like Zerk said, it's IL. That's beyond fucked up.

[Darhawk]

It is true. A friend, not to be mentioned at the federal level, has told me that Obama has approved Federal action to bypass the Second Amendment and aid should the law pass. He, Obama, has stated that Federal dictate, read that as Imperial Supremacy, oversees States Rights. Should Illinois Law hold true, it will be applied Nation-wide. Y'all don't understand what's takin' place.............Y'all Northerners re-elected the bastard.........it get what you sowed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Takers vs Earners.........this nation will fall!

The dems (read that Nazis) are set to begin the dismantle of the Bill of Rights!

[Darhawk]

Legislation criminalizes gun owners in Illinois
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
January 2, 2013

The NRA’s Illinois representative Todd Vandermyde warns that a draconian piece of legislation set for imminent introduction in the state would not only outlaw most modern firearms and criminalize their owners, but would also place gun ranges under restrictive police regulation.

As Infowars reported earlier today, second amendment activists are incensed about an upcoming bill in the Illinois legislature which, according to the Illinois State Rifle Association, would leave gun owners with, “a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.”
The bill, the precise text of which has not yet been released, would virtually ban all modern firearms including semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns, and pump action shotguns. The legislation could be signed into law as early as Friday, leaving most guns “subject to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.”
In confirming the bill’s imminent introduction, the NRA’s Illinois rep. Todd Vandermyde also warned that the legislation would place crippling regulations on private gun ranges and place them under state control.
“Sources say the new bills would require any range open to the public to be run by an FFL. That they would be licensed under unlimited rules and regulations by the State Police. If you say what the Governor did under his AV of SB-681, you can imagine what kind of rules/standards he would put in place to run a range,” Vandermyde wrote on the IllinoisCarry.com website.
The bill would also block non-Firearm Owners Identification card owners from “firearms safety training that has live fire components with it,” creating yet another stumbling block which would prevent Americans from exercising their second amendment rights.
“At this time we have no bill numbers, but anticipate them using house bills passed over for floor amendments which would only take a matter of hours to clear committee and be ready for a final vote,” writes Vandermyde in a separate post.
The official Illinois Senate schedule for today does not mention any legislation relating to gun control, meaning the bill is likely to be introduced either tomorrow or Friday.
The Illinois legislation is set to dovetail with a gun control bill at the national level introduced by California Senator Dianne Feinstein which would instantly criminalize millions of gun owners in the United States by banning a plethora of different types of firearms.

[Darhawk]

Illinois Senate President John Cullerton will reportedly introduce a draconian bill today in the Illinois legislature that will effectively ban all modern firearms, criminalize their owners, and subject their guns to confiscation by the Illinois State Police.
The proposed outlawing of firearms was confirmed by the NRA’s Illinois rep, according to Robert Farago, writing for The Truth About Guns website.
The move coincides with a federal effort by Senator Dianne Feinstein to introduce legislation outlawing semiautomatic firearms and imposing de facto confiscation.
From the Illinois State Rifle Association:

Based on what we know about Cullerton’s bill, firearms that would be banned include all semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Pump action shotguns would be banned as well. This would be a very comprehensive ban that would include not only so-called ‘assault weapons’ but also such classics as M1 Garands and 1911-based pistols. There would be no exemptions and no grandfathering. You would have a very short window to turn in your guns to the State Police to avoid prosecution.

Folks monitoring the effort to disembowel the Second Amendment in the Land of Lincoln say the bill has a 50-50 chance of passage. They advise gun owners both in and out-of-state to call Senate President Cullerton at 217-782-2000 and contact state representatives at ilga.gov.
In addition to outlawing a large number of firearms, the legislation will target shooting ranges in the state. “Not only are they going after semi-autos and magazines, but they are going after ranges,” the Illinois Carry website reports.
In November, we reported on Illinois governor Pat Quinn’s attempt to circumvent the legislature and impose an assault weapons ban. State Sen. Dave Luechtefeld, a Republican from Okawville, led an override that defeated the governor.
In early December, gun grabbers in the state were dealt a setback when the U.S. Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the state’s ban on carrying a weapon in public is unconstitutional.
“We are disinclined to engage in another round of historical analysis to determine whether eighteenth-century America understood the Second Amendment to include a right to bear guns outside the home. The Supreme Court has decided that the amendment confers a right to bear arms for self-defense, which is as important outside the home as inside,” the court ruled.

[Darhawk]

Aaron Dykes
Infowars.com
January 2, 2012

“You never want to a serious crisis go to waste.”
When we recall those famous words uttered by Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s first Chief of Staff, or see President Obama shed fake tears for the Sandy Hook victims and see the predatory pleasure on the faces of gun grabbers lining up to restrict the Second Amendment on the backs of dead children, we should wonder if there isn’t much more to the story we’ve all been told.
Nothing government has done or will do will ever bring back those killed by crazed individuals. Period. Yet, their ambitious gun control agenda will disarm millions more potential victims, leaving criminals in government and general society free to pursue their evil intentions without restraint, or crucially, the checks and balances the founders tried to place in the hands of the population to discourage tyrannical government.
As I pointed out in the original (and longer) version of this article, and in the video below, the Obama Administration has been actively — sometimes overtly and sometimes covertly — pursuing attacks on the Second Amendment from the very beginning, and have readily exploited any and all tragedies that fit their agenda at every turn.

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Here’s a round-up of the Top Ten activities by the Obama Administration to further its gun control agenda during his first term in office, in approximate chronological order to demonstrate a timeline, all building up to the crescendo we are now witnessing:

1. Rahm Emanuel tells Attorney General Eric Holder to STFU on gun control in January 2009, at the start of Obama’s first term.


Very early on in Obama’s first term, Attorney General Eric Holder publicly announced that the administration would pursue a reinstatement of the assault weapons ban passed during the Clinton Administration, but which expired in 2004. ABC News’ Jake Tapper reported that in February 2009, then-White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel became furious at Holder’s public statements, which had riled up the pro-gun lobby. For example, Sen. Max Baucus issued a press release in response, entitled: ‘Senators to Attorney General: Stay Away from Our Guns.’ According to Tapper:

“Emanuel was furious. He slammed his desk and cursed the attorney general. Holder was only repeating a position Obama had expressed during the campaign, but that was before the White House needed the backing of pro-gun Democrats from red states for their domestic agenda. The chief of staff sent word to Justice that Holder needed to ‘shut the fuck up’ on guns…”

Clearly, the plan was to remain ‘under the radar’ on gun legislation.

2. Covert Fast and Furious Program Begins to Demonize Assault Weapons, Second Amendment


Revelations about Fast and Furious have become part of an ongoing saga all of its own, but it is abundantly clear that the ATF, the Department of Justice and other agencies willingly “walked” thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels early on in the Obama Administration in order to later blame the horrendous effects of the illegal flow of weapons south of the border, and build support for gun restrictions.
Investigations in the House have made clear that Attorney General Eric Holder has been less than forthcoming about what and when he knew about the program. During testimony on May 3, 2011, Holder told the Judiciary Committee he had “probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.” CBS News, among others, have produced documents proving Holder was briefed as early as July 2010. Rep. Issa threatened to find Holder in contempt, though no meaningful action has yet taken place.

3. New ATF regulations demand southern border states succumb to greater reporting requirements; purchases of more than two semi-auto weapons more heavily regulated


On January 6, 2011, Reuters reported that the White House was lamenting over delays in new regulations for border states (curiously two days before the tragic Tuscon shooting). Reuters wrote: “A planned Obama administration clampdown on Mexico border gun dealers which would require them to report multiple assault rifle sales has been delayed by the White House amid stiff opposition from the powerful gun lobby.”
By July of 2011, those new restrictions went into place via policies and regulations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF). At least one gun store in Albuquerque tried to challenge the new federal requirement that more than 8,000 dealers in Texas, Arizona, California, and New Mexico must report on the sale of multiple semi-automatic weapons.
Undoubtedly, the pretext was based upon the government-staged Fast and Furious flow of weapons southbound, but aided by the hysteria over the mass shootings in Tuscon, located in one of the affected border states.

4. Exploiting the Tragic Shooting by Jared Lee Loughner and Attempted Assassination of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords


The tragic January 8, 2011 shooting in Tuscon, Arizona undoubtedly shocked the nation. Jared Lee Loughner was accused of shooting nineteen people including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, while killing six.
The day after the shooting, USA Today published an article entitled, ‘Debate on gun control heats up after Giffords shooting’ stating in part: “Gun laws have to be examined,” Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., said Sunday on NBC’s Meet the Press. He said that “doesn’t mean denying guns” but reviewing how they become accessible.
Gun control advocates demanded that Obama use the tragedy to push for new firearms legislation, but the calculating Obama Administration knew it was not the right time for overt moves. President Obama did use a memorial service as a stump speech for re-election and a handy bounce in the polls, but resisted the urge to advocate changes on the 2nd Amendment.

5. Obama Tells the Brady Center He’ll Attack 2nd Amendment “Under the Radar”


During a March 30, 2011 meeting between Jim and Sarah Brady of the Brady Center and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, President Obama reportedly told the Brady’s “I just want you to know that we are working on it (gun control)….We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”
This was interpreted at the time to reflect the use of Fast and Furious to steer the gun control debate, but clearly encompasses the coordinated, deliberate exploitation of numerous shooting tragedies, as we have all seen.

6. ATF Tried To Ban Importation of Most Shotguns


The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms attempted to ban the importation of all shotguns that didn’t meet a “sporting purpose.” In doing so, it attempted to block shotguns that hold more than 5 rounds.
According to the Greeley Gazette:

The ATF completed a study regarding the importability of certain shotguns. The basis for a possible ban is based on a loosely defined “Sporting Purpose” test. Using the vague definition almost all pump-action and semi-automatic shotguns could be banned as they are all capable of accepting a magazine, box or tube capable of holding more than 5 rounds. Other characteristics determined to be “military” by the ATF can also be used as a basis for a ban.

However, the NRA reported in November of 2011 that this attempt had been blocked in Congress via an appropriations bill for Fiscal Year 2012. Ammoland and other Second Amendment advocates point out that the attempt to block the importation of certain shotguns only solidifies the already clear anti-gun agenda of the Obama Administration.

7. Attacking Self-Defense Laws Via the Trayvon Martin Shooting


The February 26, 2012 shooting of Trayvon Martin sparked a huge controversy over the rights of self defense. The debate technically centered around Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, but clearly always had national dimensions. The case sparked fresh debate over gun control, with major outlets like the Christian Science Monitor asking if it was “a turning point in gun rights debate?” while observing that “so far, Trayvon’s death is having the biggest impact on the national gun policy debate.”
President Obama shamelessly exploited the Trayvon Martin shooting, famously stating that ‘If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon’, further drawing the identity politics of race into the situation.

8. Exploitation of the Batman shooting massacre


The response to the tragic shooting in Aurora, Colorado during the premiere of the Batman film ‘The Dark Knight Rises,’ clearly marked the dawn of Obama’s all out rush for playing public sympathy to achieve his ambitious and unconstitutional agenda.
TIME magazine slammed Obama for ‘missing an opportunity’ by not using the Batman massacre to push for gun control while New York mayor Michael Bloomberg demanded action from the presidential candidates on firearms:

“I mean, there’s so many murders with guns every day,” Bloomberg continued. “It’s just gotta stop. And instead of these two people, President [Barack] Obama and Governor [Mitt] Romney talking in broad things about, they want to make the world a better place. OK, tell us how. And this is a problem. No matter where you stand on the Second Amendment, no matter where you stand on guns, we have a right to hear from both of them, concretely, not just in generalities, specifically, what are they going to do about guns?”

The media undoubtedly greased the skids for new gun control in the wake of the horrific Batman massacre, giving President Obama the opportunity to refuse action again — as Caesar refused the crown of emperor three times in Shakespeare’s play — before repeated injury gave him no other choice but to take action.

9. Obama unabashedly admits his intention to reintroduce assault weapons ban during debate with Mitt Romney


President Obama had already been outed as an anti-gun president, after all, he had already been cynically dubbed ‘gun salesman of the year’ after sparking waves of record firearm sales based on fears that he would restrict the Second Amendment during his second term.
But his performance during the second televised debate with Mitt Romney left no doubt. Obama openly declared his intention to reinstate an assault weapons ban during his second term, while further blaming handgun violence in Chicago.
Meanwhile, Senator Dianne Feinstein was meeting privately with the ATF prior to the election to discuss the possibilities for new gun control legislation. To enact it, these gun grabbers needed only await the perfect crisis – at the right time to exploit it and gain ground for their unconstitutional policies.

10. Bob Costas Called for Gun Control After NFL Player’s Murder-Suicide


Our memory as a society is so short under the current frenzy surrounding the tragic Newtown, Connecticut shootings that many have already forgotten about NBC sports reporter Bob Costas’ very public cries for gun control, quoting from sportswriter Jason Whitlock, and supporting his bogus claim that the tragedy would not have happened had Javon Belcher not had a gun.
Bob Costas went on in the days to follow to defend his position, claiming that ‘young men can’t own guns without something bad happening.’
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Obviously this list is not comprehensive. There have been many other significant actions to restrict the Second Amendment by stealth, including Sen. Schumer’s attempt to legislatively prevent veterans (and others) diagnosed with PTSD or other mental illnesses from owning guns. (New definitions of mental disorders are quite sweeping, and threaten to cast a wide net that will indeed infringe upon rights meant to be guaranteed.)
There is also the significant moves towards supporting the United Nation’s controversial Small Arms Treaty that many fear will be used to restrict the Second Amendment, particularly in the areas of import & export. Though negotiations last summer failed, the treaty will be revived for negotiations and is anything but dead.
But the point is sufficiently made — government could not respond to tragedy so quickly with legislative “solutions” if they weren’t already preparing them. And no president could garner support for such unconstitutional measures without first priming the population with heavy media propaganda saturated with the sadness of tragedy, with dead children and innocent victims and the cries from others demanding that President Obama ‘finally’ take action and ‘do something.’

[Berserker]

This article points out, what IL did last time with a lame duck session. Raising income tax 67%, at 4am.


GUN BAN
An Illinois Senate committee approved restrictions Wednesday on semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines, despite criticism from gun-rights groups that the measures go too far and amount to an assault-weapons ban "on steroids."
Democratic Sen. Dan Kotowski of Park Ridge said he intends to press legislation to limit ammunition magazines to ten or fewer rounds. Kotowski says he wants to concentrate on clips because high-capacity magazines make assault weapons more lethal.
Chicago Democratic Sen. Tony Munoz sponsored the second bill banning assault weapons "designed for war."
The text of Munoz' bill is listed as an amendment to House Bill 1263.
It would ban specific semiautomatic guns such as the Colt AR-15, the Intratec Tec-9, the Beretta AR-70, Kalashnikovs, and makes such as Norinco and Uzi. It also would ban any semiautomatic shotgun that has a revolving cylinder, a folding or telescoping stock, a pistol grip or thumbhole stock, or a shroud that encircles the barrel to prevent burning the shooter's non-trigger hand.
It also would ban any semiautomatic pistol that can accept a detachable magazine and has one of five other characteristics, such as a weight exceeding 50 ounces when unloaded.
In addition, it would ban semiautomatic rifles with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 bullets. Also on the list: semiautomatic rifles that accept detachable magazines and have one of three other characteristics, such as a pistol grip or thumbhole stock.
National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts.
"I've never seen a piece of legislation that tramples on so many court decisions," Vandermyde said.
When asked how a ban on assault weapons would keep them off the street, when a Chicago ban on handguns wasn't able to keep handguns off the streets of Chicago, Munoz said: "You can never be 100 percent, but we're hoping that by having that ban, at least in our state, it's a start."
The measures sponsored by Munoz and Kotowski cleared the Senate's Public Health Committee on Wednesday night and now go to the Senate floor for a vote. The votes in the committee were along party lines, with Democrats in support and Republicans opposed. There are no metro-east senators on the committee.
McCarter vowed to oppose the ban.
"I will do everything in my power, including my vote, to protect the Second Amendment," McCarter said. "Criminals will always have access to guns. Law-abiding citizens need every opportunity to protect themselves, their families and their property from those who would seek to harm them."

Read more here: SPRINGFIELD: Illinois Senate returns: Gun ban clears committee | Metro-east news | News Democrat

SPRINGFIELD: Illinois Senate returns: Gun ban clears committee | Metro-east news | News Democrat

[TerryMiller]

We don't feel like doing any meaningful work. We better look like we're doing something or this gravy train will end.

Let's criminalize gun owners and decriminalize gay marriage. We shouldn't lose any votes and we'll look busy. Where's my page? This is stressful shit!

[pquirk]

Originally Posted by TerryMiller

We don't feel like doing any meaningful work. We better look like we're doing something or this gravy train will end.

Let's criminalize gun owners and decriminalize gay marriage. We shouldn't lose any votes and we'll look busy. Where's my page? This is stressful shit!

So who elects all these assholes? I can understand why the dudes who represent the NE part are wingnut liberals, but how does the how does the whole fuggin state end up that way when it's mostly shitty ass dirt farms?