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Is This A Motorcycle Shootout? Polaris Slingshot vs. Can-Am Spyder F3 vs. Morgan 3 Wheeler

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  • Is This A Motorcycle Shootout? Polaris Slingshot vs. Can-Am Spyder F3 vs. Morgan 3 Wheeler

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  • by the laws standards yes, but me personally, No
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    • Two of 'em have steering wheels, fer crissakes. At least the spyder has handlebars.
      ride safe, stoney.


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      • A shoot out against two funny looking cages and an odd experiment.

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          I'm gonna say no.
          Don't taze my junk, bro!

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          • Definitions of a motorcycle from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administation (NHTSA) and the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA):

            NHTSA Definition of a Motorcycle
            The definition of a motorcycle in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) spans two categories. (Note: See 49 CFR 571.3 for the definitions; see 49 CFR 571 main page for the index, including the FMVSS 218 motorcycle helmet "DOT" standards).

            The definition is very simple and straightforward, with "Motorcycles" ("two-wheeled and three-wheeled...Sidecars are not regarded as separate vehicles -- a motorcycle and sidecar are reported as a single unit") and and "Motor Bicycles and Scooters" (including mopeds in the States that require their registration).

            The definition is:

            "Motorcycle means a motor vehicle with motive power having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than three wheels in contact with the ground. Motor-driven cycle means a motorcycle with a motor that produces 5-brake horsepower or less."

            FHWA Expanded Definition of a Motorcycle
            The expanded definition that was developed for the Guidelines for FARS reporting purposes (and coordinated with NHTSA) now provides more detail and covers more types of two- and three-wheeled vehicles, including "Motorcycles With Enclosures" and something called "Personalized Conveyances Licensed for Highway Use".

            This will hopefully increase the accuracy of the reporting from the States. However, the downside is that previous data may not be directly comparable with the new definitions and it is my understanding that no attempt will be made to normalize the data.

            Motorcycles:

            Two or three wheels in contact with the ground (excluding trailers suitable for motorcycle hauling).
            A seat or saddle for driver and passengers.
            Wheel rim diameters 10 inches or more.
            Do not include an enclosure for the driver or passengers.
            Sidecars and trailers are not regarded as separate vehicles -- a motorcycle and sidecar or trailer is reported as a single unit.
            Motorcycles With Enclosures:

            Two or three wheels in contact with the ground (excluding trailers suitable for motorcycle hauling).
            A seat or saddle (in-line or side-by-side) for driver and passengers.
            Wheel rim diameters 10 inches.
            Includes an enclosure for the driver or passengers
            Sidecars and trailers are not regarded as separate vehicles -- a motorcycle and sidecar or trailer is reported as a single unit.
            Mopeds or Motor Bicycles:

            Two wheels in contact with the ground.
            A seat or saddle for driver and passengers (if any).
            A steering handle bar.
            Do not include an enclosure for the driver or passengers.
            Have a brake horsepower not exceeding 2 HP.
            Personalized Conveyances Licensed for Highway Use:

            Two wheels in contact with the ground.
            Has a platform or deck for the use of a standing operator.
            A steering handle bar.
            Do not include an enclosure for the driver or passengers.
            Have a brake horsepower not exceeding 2 HP.
            Have a direct drive energy transmission from the engine to the drive wheel(s) (no transmission).

            http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...motorcycle.htm

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            • PB!!!! Now your making my brain hurt!

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              • Eddie, both of those agencies are guvmint agencies...I was hoping we had an attorney member here that could decipher that shit for us!! :)


                Polaris Tries to Make Slingshot Legal in All States, Tests Autocycle Category

                Polaris’ latest creation, the Slingshot has had troubles being accepted by the DMV in certain states. We reported in November that Texas would not have it homologated as a motorcycle. The Lone Star state was not the only one with this problem, as the Polaris Slingshot lacked homologation in Connecticut, Hawaii, Indiana, and Maryland also refusing to certify the trike as street-legal. Basically, the Slingshot defies the existing vehicle classifications in these states, and Polaris is trying to mend things.

                However, since the problems the Slingshot has to deal with were different from place to place, multiple solutions were needed. The easiest way, at least in theory, was to find a way to change the legislation so that the Slingshot became compliant with one of the existing categories. All in all, it appears like changing the law in such a way to make it more permissive for the Slingshot was indeed the shortest road. Not unlike some of our readers predicted it would be…

                The Polaris Slingshot becomes a Autocycle

                Apparently the most difficult step was taking care of things in Connecticut and this was the trigger for efforts pursuing the creation of another vehicle category. That’s how ”autocycles” entered the spotlight and became the salvation for the Slingshot. According to the SB 936, “’Autocycle’ means a motor vehicle that meets the requirements of a motorcycle under 49 CFR Part 571, and (A) does not have more than three wheels in contact with the ground, (B) is designed to be controlled with a steering wheel and foot pedals for acceleration, braking or shifting, (C) has a seat or seats that are fully or partially enclosed and in which the occupants sit with their legs forward, and (D) is equipped with safety belts, in accordance with section 14-100a, for all occupants.”

                In addition, the House Bill 6822 exempts the autocycle drivers from the state’s helmet law. The final decision is expected by June 3, when the legislative session ends, and we might get to see Slingshots legal by summer in Connecticut.

                Hawaii goes autocycle

                Hawaii had no trouble in having the HB 784 revising the existing rules and adding autocycles to the menu, defined as “a three-wheeled motor vehicle powered by a gasoline engine on which the driver and all passengers ride in a completely enclosed, tandem seating area, that is equipped with a roll cage, safety belts for all occupants, airbag protection, and antilock brakes and that is designed to be controlled with a steering wheel and pedals."

                At the same time, motorcycle endorsement is not needed for Polaris Slingshot drivers. The end of the current legislative season in Hawaii is on May 7, but the state law allows unresolved bills to be carried through the next session.

                Indiana was really fast

                Things moved quite quickly in Indiana, as the autocycles, defined as “a three-wheeled motor vehicle in which the operator and passenger ride in a completely or partially enclosed seating area that is equipped with: (1) a rollcage or roll hoops; (2) safety belts for each occupant; and (3) antilock brakes; and is designed to be controlled with a steering wheel and pedals,” became legal on March 12.

                Helmets and goggles are not mandatory, but a motorcycle license is needed to drive the Slingshot in Indiana, even though Polaris and Elio tried to obtain an exempt. At the same time the Slingshot and autocycles are not included in the “dead red” law allowing motorcycles to run a red traffic light after waiting two minutes without a signal change.

                Maryland deals with exhausts and windshields, while Texas has a saddle problem

                Polaris’s troubles still linger in Maryland, as the vehicle legislation still has the windshield and the exhaust location on the iffy things list. The fact that the exhaust line is so close to the occupants and the Slingshot has drain holes in the bottom seems to be one of the problems, while “regulations require the tailpipe to extend beyond the rearmost seating position.” The glazing standards are the other problem which must be solved.

                No bill is reported to have been introduced at the time of writing, and with the session ending on April 17 and the impossibility to carry unresolved bills through the next session, it looks like Maryland “Slingshoters” are still on hold.

                Finally, Texas solved the “saddle issue” with the companion bills HB 439 and SB 449, which add “a motor vehicle, other than a tractor, that is: (A) equipped with a rider’s saddle or a seat for the use of: (i) a rider; and (ii) a passenger, if the motor vehicle is designed or used primarily to transport a passenger; and (B designed to have when propelled not more than three wheels on the ground,” to the description of a motorcycle. The public hearing was on March 18. June 1 sees the end of the legislative session in Texas.

                It’s been a tough ride for Polaris for now, and there is still some fighting ahead. Still no word on a Slingshot in Europe…

                http://www.autoevolution.com/news/po...ory-93380.html

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